The Brady’s Twisted View of OK


Below, I have copied the text on their breakdown from the above page, following each section with my rebuttal.

Are there limitations on assault weapons? No
Oklahoma – No state restriction on the sale or possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons. Assault weapons are as easy to buy as hunting rifles. Congress and President Bush allowed the federal assault weapons ban to sunset in 2004. See also: Large Capacity Ammunition Magazines

The very term “assault weapon” is deliberately misleading. The fact of the matter is that the reason that military-style semi-autos are as easy to get as hunting rifles or target rifles is simply that they are hunting and plinking rifles! I wouldn’t use my AR-15 on another human being if my .357 Mag or my 12-gauge were within reach! The reason you would need 30-round magazines for these things is that it takes that much .223 to put a person down (or a deer, or a pig, or any number of other, non-human, tasty animals). I like my AR-15 because it’s FUN TO SHOOT! It’s fun to shoot it at paper, at cans, fruit, vegetables, and any number of other targets! Why would you vilify such a thing?

Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale? No

No state requirement that gun dealers or manufacturers provide police with sample bullets/cartridges or digital images of bullets/cartridges prior to the sale of a handgun, �ballistic fingerprinting,� which would assist police in tracing bullets at crime scenes to the guns that fired them.

So, if my state did require ballistic fingerprinting (usually done on the brass), and the bad-guy went on a murderous spree with a stolen gun (which statistically they do), then it would help the police trace the gun to the rightful owner of the gun, who had it stolen from them. Many guns to not automatically eject their brass. Why would the bad guy empty the spent brass from his revolver at the murder scene prior to splitting? ‘Oh boy! I love the part where we plant extra, convenient evidence! Hyuck, huck!’ No.

Ballistic fingerprinting is one of those things that sounds like a great idea on the first thought. It doesn’t take much creativity to tear apart its usefulness.

Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids? No

No state requirement that gun owners take responsible steps to prevent children from gaining easy access to their firearms. Gun owners are not held accountable for leaving loaded guns around kids, even if a young child shoots themselves or someone else with a gun left in plain sight.

I’ve got a couple of points to make here. Firstly, kids are smart, and they get into stuff. No amount of locking up, hiding, dismantling, burying, and/or use of secret passages and bank-vault quality locks is going to keep them out of stuff that they are curious about. You know what will? Education. Parenting. Our son knows exactly where the guns are. He knows exactly where the ammunition is. He also knows exactly what the combination of those will do, because he has seen .223, 9mm, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .45 ACP, 20-Gauge, and 12-Gauge rip through hard squash like an egg without a shell. He has shot most of those (with help from Dad, of course) and he has some understanding of the power. He doesn’t really want any of that. Beyond that, we know exactly where he is at all times. He doesn’t feel like we are looming over him, ready to slap his hand or anything like that, but there is some accountability there.

Secondly, I’d like the Brady’s to tell that to the D. A. I’m pretty sure that if this went to court, they could easily get the parents/grandparents – whoever – on negligence. It’s a common-sense issue. There doesn’t need to be a specific law about it. A jury of twelve Okies would find them guilty of negligence if the evidence was there. We’re a pretty smart community, and we don’t need nanny laws, thank you very much!

Must locking devices be sold with guns? No

No state requirement that guns be sold with child-safety locks that could prevent a tragic accident. Child-safety locks cost as little as $10 and could save lives if sold with firearms.

I call B. S. on this one. I have never bought a new handgun, and not gotten a lock with it. When I’ve asked about it, the seller has told me that they are required, under state law, to provide one with the purchase. Do your research, Brady’s. Now, this may not apply to long-guns, but with your average goose-gun weighing in at seven or eight pounds, in excess of four feet long, explain to me how a young child is going to pick it up and operate it, much less shoot themselves!

Are only authorized users able to operate handguns? No
Oklahoma – There is no state law mandating that all new handguns be sold with ‘personalized’ handgun technology that would only allow the authorized user to operate the firearm. Childproof handguns play an important role in helping to prevent unintentional shootings among children and to deter suicides among minors.

And the reason here, folks, is because this is pure, unadulterated, science fiction. The Brady’s are watching way too many movies. There are no such guns that recognize their rightful owner and will not operate in the hands of someone ‘not authorized’. To use this as criteria for a frowny list like this is absurd. It would be like me saying that your car isn’t safe because it isn’t equipped with a force-field generator, or an anti-grav cabin. Besides that, if there were such guns, I wouldn’t want them anyway. That would be a pain in the ass when I took friends to the range and wanted them to try out my Zaygon STX Firedragon rifle chambered in .657 Doom! (Hey, if we’re being dramatic about this, I may as well run with it, right?)

Must gun dealers adhere to state licensing and/or oversight systems? No
Oklahoma – No state licensing and/or oversight systems are required. Having no licensing and/or oversight system at the state level makes cracking down on rogue gun dealers extremely difficult. Requiring that gun dealers adhere to specific measures and holding them accountable for their actions and inventory will reduce illegal gun trafficking and help prevent criminals and other dangerous people from easily obtaining guns.

Damned straight! Should one be required to buy a license from a slow-moving government in order to get personal/home protection? Not just no, but HELL NO! Do some guns slip through the cracks? Undoubtedly. Would exterminating the existence of such devices squelch crime to some degree? It’s possible, but I doubt it. If it weren’t for guns, these people would be going after our swords and spears, if those didn’t exist, they would be trying to take our clubs and rocks. The bottom line is that these people want to DISARM us. They want the GOOD people to be defenseless. Licensure for gun purchasing disarms the victims. Period. If nobody could legally get guns, could the criminals still get them? No question.

The bottom line to my ranting here is this: Which is better, that nobody be armed, or that everybody be armed? I would say everyone, but I can see how some would say that it’s a toss. If you make it illegal to get guns, will the good guys have guns? Will the bad guys? So, if letting the law-abiding, generally good citizens arm themselves means that some criminals, with bad intent will also arm themselves, I say so be it. At least we have means to defend ourselves against them. They are going to get them anyway. Why is it that the anti-gunners are also the people who use this same argument about passing out condoms in schools? That’s pretty screwed up right there.

Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable? No

State law forbids city and county governments from taking any legal action to hold gun manufacturers accountable, even when they act irresponsibly in the way they design, market or distribute weapons. No other industry enjoys such special immunity for irresponsible conduct.

In our sue-happy society, we can sue McDonald’s if the coffee is too hot. We can sue an airline if we survived the crash with a bloody nose. When are we going to stand up for responsibility where it belongs? The mentality of the above point is what has led Ruger to put ugly warnings all over their guns, and led Smith & Wesson to put the so-called ‘Hillary hole‘ on theirs. This has got to stop somewhere! Look, the bad guys are bad. The good guys are good. The good guys sometimes do bad things and should be reprimanded for it. The bad guys sometimes come around, and we should show them a little mercy and grace. That’s really not so complicated. If you come to my house, and you go to ring the doorbell, but it shocks you and you are emotionally damaged because of it, tough! If you are walking down the sidewalk in front of my house, and the emergency brake fails at that very moment, and the car rolls over you and you die, I’m very sorry. That’s quite unfortunate, and I’ll probably have some kind words for your family. If you were at my house and some crazed maniac attacked us all with a chainsaw and diced us up, would somebody sue Briggs & Stratton? I sure as hell hope not! Cook the bad guy, for Pete’s sake, but the maker of the equipment cannot be held liable for how it is used! Period! Granted, if someone made a product that was truly defective, then they ought to be held accountable. But, RG is out of business, and there are no more Saturday Night Specials that are being sold today. Any gun available on the market is probably safe enough for its purpose. My personal preferences may run a scosche higher than some, but that’s not saying that the lesser guns on the modern market are not worthy of shooting.

Are background checks required at gun shows? No

No state requirement that a Brady criminal background check be done on people buying guns at gun shows if they are sold by “private” individuals or gun “collectors.” Gun shows can operate on a “no questions asked, cash-and-carry” basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons. No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.

This point is so very misleading, since it’s actually more than one point, some true and good, and others complete lies. The original question is a direct mis-truth. Background checks are required at gun shows, and the ‘gun show loophole’ is nothing more than a myth that suits the agenda.

They cite a ‘Brady criminal background check’. What is required and practiced is an Insta-Check criminal background check. If someone is caught dealing guns without an FFL or running background checks, it is a felony. Sarah Brady, have you ever been pounded by Bubba? F E L O N Y. To cite their background check is like me saying that your driver’s license isn’t really valid since you didn’t get an Evyl Robot Michael Driver’s License. Who gives a crap, right? How can I proclaim myself the highest authority in the land, and how can the Brady’s, for that matter?

Then, they talk about ‘no records kept’ on gun sales. That sounds like registration – which sounds like a good thing, but I’ll get to that soon…

Are businesses forced to allow guns in the workplace? Yes
Oklahoma – State law forces employers and businesses to allow guns on their privately held property. This dangerous law seeks to turn companies into criminals if they ban guns on their private property.

False. Employers are required only to let employees leave their guns in their car in the parking lot. They are not, by any stretch of definition, required to let unwanted arms into the workplace. Say I have to drive through the ghetto, and there’s a high likelihood that I could get car-jacked at a red light on my way to work. So, I arm myself, and if someone shatters the window and puts a gun to my head, I grab the attacker’s gun with my left hand, pull my own gun with my right hand, and introduce the bastard to his maker. If my boss can tell me that I can’t have a gun at work at all, what am I supposed to do? I can’t take it into work with me. I can’t leave it in the car. What am I supposed to do? What The Brady Bunch is arguing is that I should not have any rights as an individual, and that the company that I work for should completely dictate my safety, at and away from the workplace. That sucks.

Are colleges/universities forced to allow guns on campus? No
Oklahoma – There is no state law forcing colleges/universities to allow guns on campus.

They got this one right. One of the biggest problems with gun laws in the Great State of Oklahoma is the fact that there are not laws protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens to have guns on school campus. This is a flaw in the system, as it makes us vulnerable to Virginia Tech-style attacks. If I was in a classroom environment, and someone burst in and started shooting, I would shoot him. I didn’t say that I would try to shoot him, I said that I would shoot him. If I was forced to be defenseless, I would not have the option. I would probably have to pretend to be dead and hope for the best. I would never forgive myself either. I hope we can get rid of the School Massacre Bait Laws, to give our talented, ambitious youth a chance to live. I don’t think I should have to disarm to walk into the elementary school to get my son in the afternoon. I don’t think that a college student should be forced to be defenseless. I believe that every teacher and professor should be well-armed and trained even better. If I owned my own private school, it would be a requirement.

Is it illegal to sell handguns to anyone under 21 years of age? No

State law does not restrict selling handguns to juveniles under the age of 21 by unlicensed sellers. Under federal law, only federally licensed dealers are prohibited from selling or delivering handguns or ammunition for handguns to any person under the age of 21. A strong state law is needed to stop unlicensed persons from selling handguns to those under the age of 21.

To the Brady’s: Prove it. Show me a situation where Junior bought a gun from the creepy old man down the street. Provide a reference that has ever happened in the State of Oklahoma, in which this has occurred and not resulted in Dad kicking creepy old man’s creepy old butt. Because, I’m telling you now that some things don’t need to be legislated, and this is one of them. Should we pass a law that makes it illegal for you to feed your kids only candy? No, because it’s a self-correcting problem. Should we pass a law that says that you have to inflate an inter tube to play with it at the lake? No, because it’s common sense. The point is moot. There are no laws saying that you can’t serve raw, rotten meat to guests, even though it could result in someone being harmed. If I tried that, the injury would be mine, as one of my guests would surely be insulted.

Are there limitations on large capacity ammunition magazines? No
Oklahoma – There is no state law restricting the sale or possession of large capacity ammunition magazines that can fire 30, 50 or even 75 rounds without reloading. Ammunition magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition are considered large capacity magazines. These types of ammunition magazines are available for any firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine, including assault weapons and semi-automatic handguns.

So? I’m serious. What’s the point? ‘…can fire 30, 50 or even 75 rounds of ammunition without reloading.’ Say it ain’t so! Oh, my gosh! To fire so many rounds without so much as reloading is… …well… …it’s… …what is it? Honestly, I’m not sure what they’re getting at here. We could all switch to single-shots, but that would be a pain in the butt. It’s fun and convenient to shoot 30, 50, or even 75 rounds without reloading. For that matter, I wouldn’t mind getting one of those 100-round drums for my AR-15. If they weren’t so expensive, I would so get one of those for plinking. I don’t necessarily want to shoot 100-rounds all at once, but to not have to worry about loading another mag, or even changing it for a range session, would be great. For defensive purposes, I’m thinking that five shots at a time is about minimum between reloads, and thirty is about the maximum that I would want to manage in one string. This again comes down to, why is a hi-cap mag a bad thing? Because you say so? What makes you the authority?

Is a license/permit required to buy handguns? No

No state requirement that handgun buyers obtain a handgun license or undergo any type of safety training prior to buying a handgun.

I think it’s funny on this list how they keep recycling their points. Refer to the ‘Gun Dealer Regulations’ section above, because this is just a restatement of that to try to add a little glimpse-meat to their point here, since they lack any real argument for their agenda. Purchasing licensure is a pro-rape mantra to make sure that the victims stay victims and the criminals stay more powerful than them.

Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on sales? No

No state restrictions on gun-trafficking such as a limit on the number of handguns that can be purchased at one time. Gun traffickers can easily buy large quantities of handguns at gun stores and resell them on the street to criminals.

First, I will refer back to my point that some guns will slip through the cracks and wind up in the wrong hands – you can’t regulate that out of reality. My second point will be, why should I be limited on the hardware that I’m allowed to buy? I don’t believe that it is any business of the government’s what I buy, or how much of it I buy. I don’t think that felons should be allowed to legally arm themselves, but that is about where I believe ‘common sense’ gun legislation ends.

May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No

State law forces police chiefs and state sheriffs to give concealed carry permits (CCW) to anyone 23 years of age or older who can buy a handgun, allowing them to carry loaded, concealed handguns in public (known as �shall issue�). Some safety training in the legal or safe use of weapons is required to obtain the CCW permit. State law allows residents of some other states to carry concealed weapons in this state without informing local police.

Mostly true, and proud of it. The age limit is actually 21, not 23. Explain how this could possibly be a bad thing. We don’t work for them, and they aren’t there to babysit us. They work for us. The police are there to serve and protect. Have you ever heard the phrase used? Did you ever wonder what it means, Sarah Brady? With rare exception, if you can legally buy a handgun, you shall get the license to carry it, loaded and concealed, if you will only jump through the hoops – guaranteed. The only reason that you could not legally buy a handgun is if you are a criminal. Therefore, if you aren’t a criminal, and you have jumped through the hoops, you get the license.

Must new semi-automatic handguns be sold with microstamping technology? No
Oklahoma – There is no state law requiring new semi-automatic handguns be fitted with microstamping technology, which would engrave on each fired bullet casing microscopic identifying markings that are specific to that firearm alone. This technology would provide law enforcement with another investigative tool to better solve gun crimes and apprehend armed criminals.

This point is kind of a permutation of the ‘BALLISTIC FINGERPRINTING’ and ‘CHILDPROOF HANDGUNS’. Like I said, they tend to recycle some points in this thing, true or false, to support their otherwise unfounded argument. This proposition would easily triple the price of firearms. A law like this would not be about helping to solve crimes. Rather, it would serve to make sure that low-income households could not afford defense. The idea of putting an extra zero at the end of the price tag of every firearm is not about crime prevention so much as it is about racism and bigotry. It is specifically targeted at low-income families to prevent them from protecting themselves, to assure that they can become victims of criminal violence. Doesn’t that make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Those Brady’s are a bunch of stand up people, aren’t they?

May municipalities enact law stronger than the state’s? No

State law forbids local city or county governments from enacting any local gun laws, even though the state has failed to pass responsible state-wide laws. This preemption of local government authority makes it impossible for cities to enact sensible gun laws to make their citizens safer.

The gun laws in Illinois are not so obstructive to free citizens, but the City of Chicago has hideous, draconian gun laws that in turn produce one of the higher concentrations of crime on the continent. Tell me I’m wrong. That is what the Brady campaign is proposing here. I know that my hometown will put a citation for a code violation on my front door when I’ve pulled a wheel off the car in the driveway to take it to the tire shop to have the tire changed. I don’t really want them in the business of my gun ownership status. No.

May police maintain gun sale records? No

State law forbids police from keeping any record of gun sales. Police are prohibited from maintaining gun sale records that could be used for gun tracing and criminal investigations. The state has no way of knowing whether people who bought guns in the past have become criminals and are no longer allowed to possess firearms. The lack of gun sale records also makes it very difficult to identify and prosecute gun traffickers or gang members that buy guns in bulk and resell them on the street.

This, friends, is yet another recycled point, wrapped in a mis-truth. As I previously stated, there is no gun registry in The State of Oklahoma. Does that mean that gun purchases are completely hidden from law enforcement? No. Investigators may look into the records that FFL holders are required to keep, for the purpose of an investigation, with a court-issued warrant. I think that’s fair enough. Gun registry sounds like a good thing at first. I’m sure it sounded like a good thing to the Jews when the Nazis put it into effect in Germany too. I’m really not going to go any further with this point. If you need further clarification as to why gun registry is a bad thing, please request it in my comment section. If you wish to remain anonymous, please say so in your comment, and I will not release your comment from moderation.

Are all guns registered with law enforcement? No

No state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons. There is no state system to automatically identify and disarm felons and other prohibited people who bought guns legally in the past, but later committed a crime or otherwise became ineligible to keep possession of their firearms.

You would think that they would at least put a contrasting point between copied points. But, this one proves that common sense is not working with the Brady’s. Alright, I’ll take a stab at their recycled point. “Oooooh, it makes it harder for laaaaaw enforcement, since they have to figure out stuff.” I’m sorry, but the cops shouldn’t know everything about me. Earlier, I made the point that they work for us, we do not work for them. I would not let my employees watch me make love to my wife, and similarly it is not the PD’s business how many and/or what type of weapons I have at my disposal until I do something stupid with them.

Are firearm owners required to report all lost or stolen guns to law enforcement? No
Oklahoma – State law does not require firearm owners to report lost or stolen firearms to law enforcement. This requirement would help to keep illegal guns off the streets by removing the excuse used by gun traffickers that “lose” their firearms.

I wanted to say that this is not correct, but I honestly can’t back that up. I was under the impression that we must report lost or stolen guns within 72-hours, but I can’t find a reference on that. If I find anything else, I will post it as an update.

Are there consumer safety standards on guns? No

No state requirement that handguns meet any basic safety standards. No requirement that guns be sold with a child-safety lock or a built-in �personalized� lock to prevent unauthorized use. No requirement that handguns have loaded-chamber indicators or magazine safety disconnects that could prevent unintentional shootings. The state Attorney General is not allowed to independently establish handgun safety standards.

The State Attorney General is not necessarily qualified to establish handgun safety standards. Beyond that, none of the information in this point is anything that I have not previously addressed in this post already. The Brady Campaign could cut out their repeats and condense this sucker by half at least!

Are there limitations on ‘junk’ handguns? No

No state restriction on the sale of Saturday night specials or “junk” handguns. No requirement that handguns meet any safety tests such as a drop-safety test or a firing-performance test. No restriction on the sale of snub-nosed handguns that are very small and easy to conceal.

The mention of snub-nosed handguns is a red herring here. I’m sorry, but it’s hard not to love a snubby once you get to know them. Prior to that, I’ve already made my point that ‘junk’ handgun laws are racist and elitist. They are intended to keep low-income households at the bottom of the totem pole. Period.

Is deadly force allowed to be a first resort in public? Yes
Oklahoma – The state does allow the use of deadly force as a first resort in public. This dangerous law permits the average citizen to bypass our entire justice system by permitting him or her to assume the role of police officer, prosecutor, judge, and executioner.

When a young lady is forced to the ground in a dark alley by a man with a knife, wearing a mask and no pants, and he pulls up her skirt; when she shoots him dead with her concealed handgun, how is that ‘bypassing our entire justice system’? Why is is necessary for her to go ahead and take the rape, and possibly the subsequent murder, so that the perp can hopefully be arrested by an officer, prosecuted, tried before a judge and jury (oddly omitted by the Brady’s), to then be led to the executioner? You know, I don’t see any problem with her taking care of the situation right then and there. I have no objection to someone taking on their own destiny, and doing serious bodily harm to someone who is maliciously attempting serious bodily harm to them. Is that wrong of me?

Are background checks required on all gun sales? No
Oklahoma – No state requirement that criminal background checks be done on all firearm sales. People buying firearms at gun shows, swap meets, or through newspaper or internet advertisements are not subject to a background check. Criminal background checks are only required if the buyer goes to a federally-licensed gun store – all other sales are not subject to the background check.

They very conveniently threw in the word ‘all’. The spirit of the law is this: That you may not transfer ownership of a firearm to someone that you do not know has a clean background. Does Grandpa have to run a background check on me to legally give me his mom’s shotgun? No, and that is going to have to be another post, I didn’t really pull the example out of thin air. Now, the guys at the gun range know me, but do they know me? They have to run the background check every time. It doesn’t matter that they know who we are, that they have met our families and friends, that they know full well that we have valid CCW permits and that they have cleared background checks on us for prior purchases. They MUST run that background check again. Period. So, if I’m going to sell you a gun, personally, face-to-face, it would do me well to make darn tooting sure that you are eligible to own a firearm, or I could be convicted of a straw purchase. Go ahead and hit the link – It refutes a bunch of the Brady points, and shows exactly how petty these people are.

Is there a waiting period on gun sales? No

No state requirement that there be a waiting period for gun sales beyond the “instant check” in federal law. Police are not given any additional time to run a criminal background check to make sure the gun buyer is not prohibited from acquiring firearms. There is no “cooling off” period to help prevent crimes of passion.

Once again, I’m going to call B. S. and ask for evidence on this one. All the waiting period does is make people anxious to get the new gun that they are so excited about. Then, they get frustrated and want to shoot a Brady – or so I’ve heard. We don’t have a waiting period here, so I wouldn’t know about that. (I’m so sorry, Instinct. My heart goes out to you. At least they can’t keep you separated from your new shotgun forever.)

The gun law summaries provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence more like to exaggerate gun violence should not be regarded as explanation of state law because they’re more like pre-teen gossip on state law. While we try wink, wink, nudge, nudge to keep this information accurate and it is accurate, yessiree Bob and updated just like the Brady Show is today, this material is provided for general discussion and reference purposes only and for scare tactics to get you to hate freedom and liberty as much as we do.

Italicized commentary edited in by yours truly, as if you couldn’t tell.

What a bunch of crap heads! I’m out.

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